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Title: How to make an epic fantasy track
Post by: Vinnie Johnson on April 08, 2016, 01:09:40 PM
This thread is under construction.

What is needed in an epic fantasy track ?

You must be good in serious music. I have make a complete bibliography on my website

http://vinniejohnson.legtux.org/theory

Cherubini books are more difficult, so study before with Bazin and Taneyev.

There is two ways in arrangement : classical or popular orchestration.

What is the difference beetween a popular and a classical orchestra ?

First i want to compare used orchestra with a symphonic orchestra.

https://youtu.be/un3W31jzOCw

https://youtu.be/SQNymNaTr-Y

A symphonic orchestra, why not ?


I don't want to say that a symphonic orchestra is not fine, but i think we can make better nowodays.

What are the differences ?


it's a small orchestra found in "practical instrumentation" by Frank Paterson

https://archive.org/details/practicalinstrum00patt

What is good, what is bad ?


The ensemble is great, however today we can use an amplified violin better than 1 Violin.

The bass tuba can be replaced by an electric bass guitar

the following coming soon


Title: Re: How to make an epic fantasy track
Post by: Vinnie Johnson on April 09, 2016, 09:40:12 AM
A tuba is essential in an orchestra, isn't it ?

Rimsky-Korsakov has said :

Here the distribution of chords in close three-part harmony is self-evident; any grouping of three instruments of the same timbre is sure to sound well.

The method of using three instruments of the same timbre in widely divided three-part harmony is inferior.

But if the third instrument is of low register (Bass flute, English horn, Bass Clarinet, or Contrabassoon), the resonance will be satisfactory.


We have a perfect balance in brass section with 2 trumpets plus 1 trombone. It's enough.

In Woodwinds section we have 1 Flute, 1 Clarinet, 2 altos saxophones. It's wrong.

So it's better with 2 Altos saxophones, 1 Tenor saxophone ?

It's a perfect balance in woodwinds section. Unfortunately Adolphe Sax in his brevet said :

un instrument qui par le caractère de sa voix pût se rapprocher des instruments à cordes, mais qui possédât plus de force et d'intensité que ces derniers (Brevet français no 3 226 du 21 mars 1846.

Also strings must be replaced by guitars. I have spoken about this in my topic of "souncloud group" for beginners composers.

http://www.musicbyjason.com/forum/index.php?topic=1100.0

What is exactly instruments inside ?

The following instruments are included in the basic orchestra :

- 1 Flute
- 1 Bb Clarinet
- 2 Altos saxophones
- 2 Bb Trumpets
- 1 Trombone
- 1 Piano
- 2 Silents violins
- 1 Silent alto
- 1 Silent cello
- 1 Bass guitar
- 1 Drum kit

It's an hybrid genre, so i can use a heavy metal kit ?

No you can't. Woodwinds and brass are very old instruments. An ideal drum kit is a vintage kit.

I'll be back, for the ending of my explanations.


Title: Re: How to make an epic fantasy track
Post by: Melda on April 11, 2016, 12:40:50 AM
Hello everyone. :)

Vinnie asked me to correct any English that I thought was incomprehensible or correct. Incidentally I'm now a specialist English teacher of speakers of other languages, so here's my version below.  ;D

Vinnie, my apologies if I misconstrue or misinterpret anything you've written. ;)


This thread is under construction.

What is needed in an epic fantasy track ?

You must have a good understanding of serious music. I have made a complete bibliography on my website

http://vinniejohnson.legtux.org/theory

Cherubini books are more difficult, so study Bazin and Taneyev beforehand.

There are two main types of arrangement : classical or popular orchestration.

What is the difference between a popular and a classical orchestra ?

First I want to compare a used orchestra with a symphonic orchestra.

https://youtu.be/un3W31jzOCw

https://youtu.be/SQNymNaTr-Y

A symphonic orchestra, why not ?


I don't want to say that a symphonic orchestra is not good, but I think we can do better nowadays.

What are the differences ?


This is a small orchestra found in "practical instrumentation" by Frank Paterson

https://archive.org/details/practicalinstrum00patt

What is good, what is bad ?


The ensemble is great, however today we can use an amplified violin better than 1 violin.

The bass tuba can be replaced by an electric bass guitar

the following coming soon

A tuba is essential in an orchestra, isn't it ?

Rimsky-Korsakov has said :

Here the distribution of chords in close three-part harmony is self-evident; any grouping of three instruments of the same timbre is sure to sound well.

The method of using three instruments of the same timbre in widely divided three-part harmony is inferior.

But if the third instrument is of low register (Bass flute, English horn, Bass Clarinet, or Contrabassoon), the resonance will be satisfactory.


We have a perfect balance in brass section with 2 trumpets plus 1 trombone. It's enough.

In the Woodwinds section we have 1 Flute, 1 Clarinet, 2 alto saxophones. It's wrong.

So it's better with 2 Alto saxophones and 1 Tenor saxophone ?

It's a perfect balance in woodwinds section. Unfortunately Adolphe Sax in his brevet said :

un instrument qui par le caractère de sa voix pût se rapprocher des instruments à cordes, mais qui possédât plus de force et d'intensité que ces derniers (Brevet français no 3 226 du 21 mars 1846.

Also strings must be replaced by guitars. I have spoken about this in my topic of "souncloud group" for beginners composers.

http://www.musicbyjason.com/forum/index.php?topic=1100.0

What exactly are the instruments ?

The following instruments are included in the basic orchestra :

- 1 Flute
- 1 Bb Clarinet
- 2 Alto saxophones
- 2 Bb Trumpets
- 1 Trombone
- 1 Piano
- 2 Silent* violins
- 1 Silent* alto
- 1 Silent* cello
- 1 Bass guitar
- 1 Drum kit

((*I am not sure what is meant by 'silent' so I've left it as-is))

It's a hybrid genre, so can I use a heavy metal kit ?

No you can't. Woodwinds and brass are very old instruments. An ideal drum kit is a vintage kit.

I'll be back for the final part of my explanation.


Title: Re: How to make an epic fantasy track
Post by: Vinnie Johnson on April 11, 2016, 01:06:13 AM
Thnaks melda, you are very kind  :)