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Title: My first real composition
Post by: LasciateOgneSperanza on March 13, 2006, 09:05:01 PM
Hey all.
  Tom here, long-time-lurker, first-time-logger...inner...?  Anyway, I've always been impressed with the caliber of composers here, and I thought I'd try and get some feedback.  This piece was composed for the intro of a digital fantasy CCG called "Guardians of Kelthas."

http://www.df-21.net/projects/tomresnick/Legend_Battle%20of%20Falling%20Stars_Fate%20of%20the%20Immortals.mp3

The intro was comprised of stills of action, with narration carrying the story along.  Basically: history, introduce bad guy, battle, end of civilization.  This work is also not the final work, as there's actually about 45 sec more music after the end that I composed seperately (and it doesn't seem to be mixed in this MP3 - oh well).

Thanks in advance for any/all feedback - I appreciate it!


Title: My first real composition
Post by: SnakeEyes on March 13, 2006, 10:50:23 PM
Nice work Tom!

I am listening to it right now... I like the bridge between what seems to be the narration to battle. The drums do a nice job of bridging and announcing the start of battle. I like the choir, but I think it would be nice if it came back before the action part fades out...

I assume the slow part towards the end is the end of civilization? It sounds dark but kinda sparse... meaning that it sounds like there is more to come? Is civilization really over? ;)

Very nice job! You said you were impressed by the caliber of composers here, I am sure people will listen to your song and think the same :D


Title: My first real composition
Post by: MostlyDifferent on March 13, 2006, 10:58:49 PM
Man, I like that pedal at the start.  Its resolution and all the following single bass notes really don't do it justice though, tending to stop the motion very abruptly as the horns sort of ramble on to no real effect.  The chimes don't help much, and are one of the real "THIS IS SYNTHESIZED" moments of the piece.

The percussion is very effective.  A bit messy and distant-sounding, makes for more of a "real" sound than you tend to hear, which I think is really cool.  The "messiness is good" applies to just about the whole piece.  I think it really works, especially as a means of suspending the "synthesizerness" of the piece.

The moment of silence at the golden-mean-placed climax is very nice.

The ending really leaves me hanging uncomfortably unresolved, but I assume that's what you're referring to as "doesn't seem to be mixed in this MP3."

While it's still a bit of the stereotypical fantasy-game-style score, it is very nicely crafted and has some really cool moments.  The form is satisfying, and you make use of silence now and again.

In contrast to a lot of music that seems obsessed with trying to fake the user into thinking it's not synthesized, you seem to have taken what you have at face value and made the best of it.  Some great sounds here.

Nice.


Title: My first real composition
Post by: Steven on March 14, 2006, 10:15:48 AM
I still can't get over the small moment that the full choir is singing...fantastic =)
Speaking of which, how was that choir done? An really well sampled one, or did you get a real group?


Title: My first real composition
Post by: LasciateOgneSperanza on March 14, 2006, 11:15:59 AM
Thanks for all the feedback guys, I seriously appreciate it!

Quote from: "SnakeEyes"
Nice work Tom!
I like the choir, but I think it would be nice if it came back before the action part fades out...


I'd had the choir continue, but the audio team felt it competed with the narration, which resumes at that point.  As a result. it was removed.  Glad to know we were on the same plane, though.

Quote from: "SnakeEyes"

I assume the slow part towards the end is the end of civilization? It sounds dark but kinda sparse... meaning that it sounds like there is more to come? Is civilization really over? ;)


The 45 sec of music after I referred to is actually the rebuilding of the civilization, as well as the plot leading up to the conditions at which the player begins the game - it's much more positive, and I might try and find a way to upload the full piece sometime.  Gotta find a good host first.

Quote from: "MostlyDifferent"
Man, I like that pedal at the start.  Its resolution and all the following single bass notes really don't do it justice though, tending to stop the motion very abruptly as the horns sort of ramble on to no real effect.  The chimes don't help much, and are one of the real "THIS IS SYNTHESIZED" moments of the piece.


I suppose I was going for the aural equivalent of a sunrise, with more complicated music gradually building.  But yeah, it starts out boring.

Quote from: "MostlyDifferent"
While it's still a bit of the stereotypical fantasy-game-style score, it is very nicely crafted and has some really cool moments.  The form is satisfying, and you make use of silence now and again.


I won't deny it: it's very inspired by/derivative of WarCraft, Lord of the Rings, and the works of Jeremy Soule.  The plot of the game itself is pretty standard, and they simply wanted some bombast and straightforward orchestral.

Quote from: "Steven"
I still can't get over the small moment that the full choir is singing...fantastic =)
Speaking of which, how was that choir done? An really well sampled one, or did you get a real group?


Lol, thanks - the choir is speaking Ancient Cyrolian, a language I wrote.  I'm personally singing a substantial portion of the choir (four parts of it - gotta work with what you have), with the remainder cobbled together from samples.  Turned out far better than I expected it to.


Title: My first real composition
Post by: Goliath on March 20, 2006, 09:17:54 PM
Wow!

Awesome piece.  I LOVE the beginning.  It's my favorite part.  Sounds like a prelude to an epic battle (somehting I've always been fond of).  The transition is cool (the drums are excellent as Snake said).  The battle part feels a bit short, but as you said, it was necessary to be deleted.  Any way you can get the full uncut version?  I really like it  :)


Title: My first real composition
Post by: jerico on March 20, 2006, 11:04:07 PM
Always cool to listen to other people's music, it's obvious you know what you're doing.  Such a cool piece of work, great job dude.

What program do you use?


Title: My first real composition
Post by: Melda on March 21, 2006, 04:24:57 AM
I usually refraim from commenting on pieces in the Composer's Workshop (the Mod Projects forum is my domain (http://forums.samods.org/html/emoticons/tongue.gif)), but I really have to say that I am impressed by this piece.

Very much so. Can't wait to hear you working on mods. (http://forums.samods.org/html/emoticons/grin.gif)


Title: My first real composition
Post by: Steven on March 21, 2006, 09:52:58 AM
Hmm...mixing one's own voice with synths. Good idea! I was so sure that I'd have to go and buy a fancy choir that triggers different samples when you type them in, to generate words. I do still think getting one of those would still be pretty cool, but recording in a live voice in multiple tracks to get a choir effect is definitely good enough, and saves a lot of trouble. Thanks for the tip! ;)
Some time ago, I did actually try recording my voice, but I wasn't happy with the result and quickly discarded the idea. But I've just been trying it again with a new piece I'm working on, and I certainly think it sounds good once some reverb is added.  :)


Title: My first real composition
Post by: Melda on March 21, 2006, 09:54:56 AM
Or finding some people with a good voice, even easier than singing yourlself. (http://forums.samods.org/html/emoticons/smile.gif)

Like the lovely ladies I worked with for a project last year. (http://forums.samods.org/html/emoticons/grin.gif)


Title: My first real composition
Post by: Steven on March 21, 2006, 10:23:53 AM
Actually yeah, I forgot to mention. For male parts, I'm still happy to do the work, but obviously I would have trouble with the higher notes and creating that often necessary 'female' sound. I now have a solution! There's a good friend of mine that I met up with for the first time in a while just recently. She said she'd be happy to do some recording for me! =D
With any luck, we will be able to get together sometime soon and get some recording done. And I may be able to incorporate that into my mod music!  :D


Title: My first real composition
Post by: LasciateOgneSperanza on March 21, 2006, 11:20:38 AM
Quote from: "jerico"
Always cool to listen to other people's music, it's obvious you know what you're doing.  Such a cool piece of work, great job dude.

What program do you use?


I use a program called Reason, made by Propellerhead.  I love it.

http://www.propellerheads.se/products/reason/

In addition to doing the orchestral work, I've also done techno/industrial and ambient tracks with Reason.

Does anyone know a decent place I can host mp3s?  I'll be getting a personal site eventually, but just for the time being...


Title: My first real composition
Post by: jerico on March 21, 2006, 02:55:00 PM
Awesome, thanks for the link man, I'm downloading the demo now.

I use soundclick to host my stuff, which seems to work pretty well for me, but I'm not exactly trying to market myself.  The site does, however, have a feature that allows you to charge money for your song downloads; I haven't used it yet, so I can't say how much of a share soundclick would want to take if you decide to do that.


Title: My first real composition
Post by: Melda on March 21, 2006, 03:00:30 PM
Quote from: "LasciateOgneSperanza"
Does anyone know a decent place I can host mp3s?  I'll be getting a personal site eventually, but just for the time being...

If you're working on mods, you would have access to a personal FTP account on whichever site hosted them.

Like those music samples I sent to you -- they were for the Counterstrike at Quel'Thalas project, so I have access to the FTP on Samods, the website that hosts said project. (http://forums.samods.org/html/emoticons/smile.gif)

Since you're intending to work on some mods, you should have no troubles securing access to their FTPs. (http://forums.samods.org/html/emoticons/wink.gif)


Title: My first real composition
Post by: LasciateOgneSperanza on March 25, 2006, 05:06:41 PM
Thanks SO much for all the comments, guys!

Thanks to jerico for supplying me the site name (much obliged), I've found a place to host more of my music.  I'll continue to add pieces as I finish (if I think they're good enough).  Here's another couple of samples of my work:

http://www.soundclick.com/util/downloadSong.cfm?ID=3683678&key=79D0F298-8
Themes from "Down by the Ocean," a film I'm scoring for a personal friend.  Based on a play by the same name, it's a depressing story about love, midunderstandings, and suicide.  I might have laid it on a bit think, but I think it's pretty.

http://www.soundclick.com/util/downloadSong.cfm?ID=3680168&key=79D0F298-8
"Inferno Battle" from an in-development fighting game.  This piece is meant to accompany a landscape of lava and flame... where, apparantly, you beat the living **** out of other people.  Wanted this to sound hot and rocking.

More samples coming soon!


Title: My first real composition
Post by: jerico on March 25, 2006, 09:26:04 PM
You’re welcome.  You sound really good man, good luck wherever you take your music.


Title: My first real composition
Post by: Melda on March 26, 2006, 01:54:32 AM
It wants me to sign up to your site, which will put a lot of potential listeners (myself included) off.


Title: My first real composition
Post by: Steven on March 26, 2006, 05:23:23 AM
Oh my...now that IS a coincidence. Miserere mei. Severance: Blade of Darkness. It just so happens that I wrote a piece very similar to it after having listened to the miserere *several* times. I discovered the piece in the Severance music folder many months ago, but it was only until a few days ago that I decided to write a piece on it. And I only did that, Tom, because of your idea of recording in voices! Crazy stuff indeed! =D
I haven't hear your inferno battle yet. Let's see... :)


Title: My first real composition
Post by: LasciateOgneSperanza on March 26, 2006, 11:10:40 AM
Quote from: "Melda"
It wants me to sign up to your site, which will put a lot of potential listeners (myself included) off.


D'oh - had no idea, sorry... I thought it was simply a direct-link download.  :(


Title: My first real composition
Post by: Melda on March 26, 2006, 11:12:33 AM
So did I, but it seems the site has other plans.

*shakes his fist at it*


Title: My first real composition
Post by: jerico on March 26, 2006, 01:39:03 PM
Yeah, you have to sign up with them.  I should have mentioned that, I apologize that I forgot.  They haven't given me any problems though, if it means anything to anybody, and they have a pretty massive community.  Even my page gets hits  :roll:


Title: My first real composition
Post by: Melda on March 26, 2006, 02:13:10 PM
I understand that, but having to sign up to a site that you're not interested in, just to listen to few tracks that you are interested in will really put some people off.

For example, I am very interested in the music people in this community are creating (especially those working on mods), but if I have to sign up to a site to listen to their music, I'd rather miss out on said music.

And that's from someone who is interested in the music to begin with, so if you have random traffic coming through here, they're probably not going to check it out unless they already have an account there.


Title: My first real composition
Post by: Steven on March 26, 2006, 04:13:11 PM
Well without signing up you can listen directly to the piece via the "hi-fi" option. I think you only have to sign up to downlad...?


Title: My first real composition
Post by: LasciateOgneSperanza on March 28, 2006, 10:53:15 AM
Sorry Melda - in a couple days I'll have them on another site.


Title: My first real composition
Post by: Melda on March 28, 2006, 10:55:43 AM
Quote from: "LasciateOgneSperanza"
Sorry Melda - in a couple days I'll have them on another site.

You don't have to, I was just pointing out that a number of visitors won't check out the music if they have to sign up to a site to download it. (http://forums.samods.org/html/emoticons/smile.gif)

And I didn't realise that you can listen to it by streaming . . . but I'd rather download it, so let us know if/when you get the files uploaded elsewhere. (http://forums.samods.org/html/emoticons/saint.gif)


Title: My first real composition
Post by: Goliath on April 10, 2006, 04:53:43 PM
Quote from: "LasciateOgneSperanza"
Sorry Melda - in a couple days I'll have them on another site.


Hey I wanted to listen to your song again but I got an error page??

It's not on your sound click page either...Are you still in the process of transferring?  I really would like to hear it again.  :)


Title: My first real composition
Post by: Justinburn on April 15, 2006, 12:56:19 PM
Theres a great site for posting songs, unfortunately I think you must have an account to listen to them, but on a positive note, the site is absolutely free to join and quite easy to set up. The website is www.grabthemic.tv; right now it is fairly new and the purpose of the site is to attract musicians and  artisits to post their works. To get a alittle publicity or just share their music with people who are interested in listening to it. Check it out if your looking to post you songs.


Title: My first real composition
Post by: LasciateOgneSperanza on April 18, 2006, 10:30:17 AM
Yeah, sorry Goliath - I'm in the process of finally aquiring my own site.  It'll be hosted again sometime in the future.


Title: My first real composition
Post by: Goliath on April 18, 2006, 12:31:45 PM
Quote from: "LasciateOgneSperanza"
Yeah, sorry Goliath - I'm in the process of finally aquiring my own site.  It'll be hosted again sometime in the future.


No problem  :)


Title: My first real composition
Post by: LasciateOgneSperanza on May 20, 2006, 07:34:16 PM
At long last, I've found a site that allows me a few more meg of space to upload MP3s... so here's a few more of my pieces!

The cinematic score for the intro of the game "Guardians of Kelthas," which some of you have heard already. (http://h1.ripway.com/LasciateOgneSperanza/Compositions/FinalCinematic.mp3)

A battle high in icy North Mountains, composed for Kelthas as well. (http://h1.ripway.com/LasciateOgneSperanza/Compositions/MountainBattle.mp3)

A collection of themes for a film I'm scoring. (http://h1.ripway.com/LasciateOgneSperanza/Compositions/OceanThemes.mp3)

EDIT - I took the 4th one down for space considerations - sorry!


Title: My first real composition
Post by: Avaronald on May 22, 2006, 01:21:49 AM
I listened to your pieces and they are really good! You have a great talent of writing epic music. I especially liked the choir (http://worldofavaron.com/mbb/images/smiles/icon_2thumbs.gif)
(I wish I could use choir in my own pieces too).

You made these pieces with Reason? Perhaps I should begin to use Reasons as well as you have made great pieces with it, Melda has made great pieces with it...

If you have more music, please post it. I'm eager to hear more!


Title: My first real composition
Post by: Steven on May 22, 2006, 05:28:03 AM
Yeah, I'd have to say that you are yet another GREAT epic/orchestral/other stuff music writer! It's always great to hear other people producing fine works =)


Title: My first real composition
Post by: LasciateOgneSperanza on May 22, 2006, 11:50:53 AM
:D Many thanks, guys - it means a lot to me!

The "Great Troll War" MOD is gonna keep me VERY busy for the next few months, so expect to hear a lot there.  I'm essentially scoring a project as large as WCIII, complete with cinematics.  A teaser will be created shortly, and I'm scoring that as well.


Title: My first real composition
Post by: Goliath on June 08, 2006, 07:55:15 PM
Finally!

Exactly what I've been waiting for.  Awesome work man, keep it up.

I like the brass in the middle of the second one you have listed.  I'm a brass player myself and always love it when we get some cool lines.  Third tune was  good too; I could sense the ocean around me.  Fourth one, the link didn't work for me  :(   But, really, really awesome stuff dude.


Title: My first real composition
Post by: LasciateOgneSperanza on June 10, 2006, 09:31:25 AM
Thanks kindly, Goliath.
Yeah, I removed the 4th track - I was running into bandwith problems as it was.  And I also love the brass part in the Icy Mountain track - turned out WAY better than I anticipated.  That part gets stuck in my head.


Title: My first real composition
Post by: LasciateOgneSperanza on July 12, 2006, 09:49:49 AM
Got rid of one of my tracks and replaced it with http://h1.ripway.com/LasciateOgneSperanza/Compositions/Dwarves1Final.mp3 , my latest composition for the Great Troll War mod.


Title: My first real composition
Post by: jerico on July 16, 2006, 10:31:57 PM
who the devil is this guy...somebody get a game company on the phone!


Title: My first real composition
Post by: LasciateOgneSperanza on July 17, 2006, 10:30:05 AM
:)  Thanks, jerico - remarks like that are very heartening.  It's just a hobby, but I'd love if this somehow turned into a career option.


Title: My first real composition
Post by: jerico on July 17, 2006, 04:59:25 PM
Well good luck to you then.


Title: My first real composition
Post by: Melda on July 17, 2006, 06:48:57 PM
From what I've heard, I'd say you're definitely talented enough. :)


Title: My first real composition
Post by: Markus on July 29, 2006, 09:24:46 AM
Good God man !?
Truly musically inspiring music you are writing here.
I just love all the instruments used and especially
the astounding choir you have in your pieces.
It has so much emotion and sense of dramacy, truly
love them pieces you got here to share with us ;) !!

I am a cellist myself - well, a late beginner, played
only 2 years and I'm soon 21 years old, mwahah, I
care not, I will learn it - and such a music inspires me
alot, it does!!

Keep them scores coming and share whatever you got
for us to give =) .
By the way, you got any improvisations on sole instruments
or whole orchestra, perchance? I would love to hear if you had
any, for impros has often something unique in them :) .

- Môrbus the Mad.


Title: My first real composition
Post by: LasciateOgneSperanza on July 31, 2006, 02:53:09 PM
:shock: Goodness!
Thank you, Markus!  I appreciate your kind words!

Funny you should mention the cello... my latest work-in-progress, to accompany the Elvish levels, features a little violin and cello in it.  Hope you like it!

http://www.df-21.net/projects/tomresnick/Elvish1WIP.mp3


Title: My first real composition
Post by: jerico on August 02, 2006, 12:12:13 PM
You know, I hope all this praise you're getting doesn't go to your head, but dude, I wish my hobbies were as productive as yours are.  :lol:


Title: My first real composition
Post by: LasciateOgneSperanza on August 22, 2006, 12:53:19 PM
The first Elf WIP track is gone, now replaced with this one (http://www.df-21.net/projects/tomresnick/ElvishWIP.mp3) - nearing completion.


Title: My first real composition
Post by: Steven on August 22, 2006, 01:49:11 PM
Ooh yeah. I'm liking the sound of this. It's got some really cool effects and ethnic sounds. I like the mandoliny thing, and the build-up is well developed too. Can't wait for the absolute last version =)


Title: My first real composition
Post by: LasciateOgneSperanza on August 24, 2006, 06:37:28 PM
...aaaaand FINALLY.  I have begun work on...
**drum roll**
...a PERSONAL PROJECT!

Yes, NOT a mod, NOT music for someone else's work!  My OWN PROJECT!

For my senior show, I'm concept-designing a videogame.  I'll also be scoring it.  8)  

(http://tn3-2.deviantart.com/fs10/300W/i/2006/090/5/c/Commish___LasciateOgneSperanza_by_Daichym.jpg)

My bounty hunter/assassins, Renna and Tomcat.

This little piece, which I began writing this morning, will accompany the opening cinematic, in which the pair will be seen infiltrating a heavily-guarded bandit fortress...

Just the beginning... (http://www.df-21.net/projects/tomresnick/TomcatRennaIntro.mp3)


Title: My first real composition
Post by: Goliath on August 26, 2006, 12:30:56 PM
Whatever those things are they look freakin awesome.


Title: My first real composition
Post by: Markus on August 28, 2006, 02:12:09 PM
Whoah! Great looking art, truly smooth outcome and splendid colors
that please the eye, great job on that one. Like the creatures aplenty,
I do. Did you render them with Photoshop or with what tools did you
make them?

As for the Intro Music, it sounds ominous yet so calm, I have
a good feeling for this one. Is the music for the project going
to be dramatic or the like, for that has some sense of dramacy
in it surely to evolve into action ;) .


PS: Did you get my Private Message, by the way?
If not, I can re-send that one to you. Or then just
contact me by mail and I'll send it there, so no need
to mess around with the PMs.


Title: My first real composition
Post by: jerico on September 02, 2006, 11:21:51 AM
Now this is getting ridiculous, you draw too? :)

Looking forward to your updates.  Does the game have a site?