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Title: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: MaxLeonhart on January 01, 2008, 01:10:58 PM
Hi there :-)
I'm Max and I'm new to these forums :-)
I love Warcraft scores, so I came here to seek some help with my own work, if possible.

So, I'm a composer - amateur (don't know if I spelled that correctly  :D ) and I could really use some feedback on my own creations.
You can find them at this site (along with a beautiful picture of mine  ;D )
http://composersforum.ning.com/profile/MaxLeonhart
I joined that forum hoping to get some opinions, but unfortunately, no one told me nothing there... So if you have a few spare minutes, please tell me what is good and what is bad in my music (I suppose the bad things will be way ahead of the good ones :-) )

The track "Storm over Eden" and "Battle of Oriol" (btw, I don't know if the second is functional, I can't listen to it from those sites) are more action oriented, while "Leaving home behind" is a "love scene music"... Actually, I'm not very proud of that one, cause... I don't know, one of my friends said that it doesn't sound right (maybe it's because I don't have a mod wheel, so I can't fine-tune strings and the other stuff - I use my Clavinova CLP-930 as a midi keyboard, and this model unfortunately doesn't feature a mod wheel  :-[ ) Anyway, you'll hear for yourselves :-)

Thanks

Max

P.S. And before I forget, I wanted to ask whether it is possible to find a game/movie trailer without music on the internet. I mean, with all sounds, but without the original music. I'd just like to practise composing on some videos and not only by sitting down at my piano and improvising :-)


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: MaxLeonhart on January 14, 2008, 10:16:35 AM
please, anyone?  :'(


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: dannthr on January 14, 2008, 11:27:11 AM
Storm over Eden is really two separate tracks--the first minute and a half is dramatic underscore and then a second action piece tagged together.

Underscores are good in-movie, but not when you want to show off.  You're basically bending a potential employer's ear for a minute and a half before you get to the meaty part of the piece.

I'd say, just cut out the first minute and a half and call it a separate piece.


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: MaxLeonhart on January 14, 2008, 01:02:15 PM
Finally :-) thanks. Although I wouldn't talk about potential employer's ear (that's a bit too soon), but I guess you're right anyway - the sooner I think about employers, the better. But I really have to ask further, is it any "too"? I mean, isn't it too boring, or too long or something? You know, I'm trying to get better, so I'd like a tiny bit more information, if possible :-)

And what about those videos or trailers without music? Is it possible to get some of those somewhere on the web?

Thanks again Dan for your feedback :-)


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: Tom Servo on January 19, 2008, 02:14:11 AM
Hey Max!!  Great to have some tunes by you to check out.  Thanks for posting.  You mentioned you'd like some feedback ... so, for whatever it's worth, here are some thoughts:

STORM OVER EDEN:

What are the chances you like Hans Zimmer scores?   :)   Hahaha ... I just say that because the harmonic progressions and overall sort of vibe is very Media Ventures-ish.  Very Zimmer.  Which is a great vibe to emulate since Media Ventures staff (past and present) are the busiest film composers in Hollywood.  Anyway ... enough about Hans. 

-First off ... I'm not sure what sample sets you are using, but your percussion and brass are decent, but your strings need some assistance. If you are limited in your sample libraries... do not worry ... I have been there.  There are some tricks that I can walk you through to make even the worst string samples sound decent (let me know if you want more info on that), but if you are saving you are really serious about music then you will want to invest in some great sample libraries at some point down the road.

-The first section was really nice.  I like the way it opens ... dark ... ominous... very good.  Here's what I might try ... mix bass drum dead center ... lots of reverb and let it really fill the room.  Mix back the chimes .. just a bit ... and put them off to one side or the other ... not panned all the way ... but like at 9 o'clock or 3 o'clock.  Also ..... a nice ominous pad (even if it's sort of synthy) would be a really nice addition to the underlay of the cue in the opening bars ... it can fade out at :45 when more instruments come in, but it will add in some darkness to your opening few moments... it will also help ground the cue.  You can get around the pad idea if you have a great bass drum sample along with some other big drums (taiko or other trailer drums) that reverberate and fill up the space.  I'm not sure what that flute is ... but what you want is a really nice hollow-sounding ethnic flute to bring out the vastness of the cue.  Try an asian Dizi flute, or a low Irish whistle, or even something like an alto flute would do the trick.  Add lots of reverb to make it sound ethereal and you've got yourself a nice-sounding lead over that great ominous setting you've created.  The flute you have now seems a bit too shrill and unemotional.  I realize that it's mainly the sample you chose ... but one thing I am learning every day is that sample choice is critical.  Nice voicings with the brass at :40.  Very nice arranging.   Then we get the choir ... all very nice... I think what would start to give the cue some more presence is better panning ... I feel like everything is coming up right in or close to the center.  Panning things out a bit will help.  If you're not sure where to start with panning, start with imaging your "ensemble" onstage ... so just imagine a real orchestra or a real ensemble is recording piece on this great stage ... where are sections sitting?  Then try to recreate that.  For instance ... if your "pan knob" is a clock with straight up being 12 (o'clock), then I put my violins at about 9 or 10 o'clock, violas closer to 11 o'clock, celli panned to about 2 or 3 o'clock, and (here's where I break what would actually be onstage) basses right up the middle at 12 o'clock to ground the mix.  I usually put my timpani and tuba way out to the left .... about 8 o'clock.  I like to put snare drum, cymbals, and sometimes even my bass drum way out to the right ... about 4 o'clock.  Brass sections and WW sections I will play around with ... but I usually keep lead lines closer to the center.  Again, this is just a launching point ... from here you can listen in and see if things should be moved around.  But if you can see it being performed onstage you can recreate it in your mix. 

OK ... then the action kicks in... I love the rhythm and motion this part has.  It has some really great ideas that just need to be orchestrated.  You can obviously write... that's not the issue ... the issue now is: OK, I've just composed these cool horn lines, now what do I add that can compliment it?  The strings are jamming away, so they're out. But you can use some trombones, trumpets, and even more horns to play some counterpoint to your themes ... or even add in some punches and interjections to fill in the mix.  I love the use of the choir here.  You are able to keep the cue going, and I don't feel bored with it because you are adding in things (like strings and choirs) and keeping the horn lines fresh ... as well as fresh cadences.  Really well crafted, I think.

I don't know how old you are, but you look young in your picture.  This is a great start for a cue ... and I think you have some really good ideas.  What's missing, for me, is all the orchestration and arranging that takes it to the next level.  If you want to hear something amazing listen to Mussorgsky's PICTURES AT AN EXHIBITION .. he wrote it for piano ... so listen to a piano recording of it.  Then listen to Ravel's orchestration of the same piece ... it is pure genius .. it really comes alive and he makes some outstanding choices for which instruments to play what.  Just something to listen to.

On my website, you can also hear a cue called EPIC BATTLE ... it's orchestral and about halfway through when the theme really kicks in you can hear some of the panning I talked about earlier and how the brass is filled out to make it sound thick.

I couldn't get your other two cues to play.

I hope you keep writing, and again, these are just suggestions.  But I do believe with some attention to sample choices and orchestration you will be well on your way.

all the best,
jeff

 


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: MaxLeonhart on January 19, 2008, 12:08:36 PM
Hello, Jeff :) Nice to meet you :) I'm Max... well, I'm not a "Max" really, my full and real name is Jan Scigulinsky, but since no one can pronounce that, I use the name Max. I'm 19 years old. As I've already mentioned somewhere on this forum, I've only been into composing for a few months (although I have played piano for 12 years and won countless competitions :) ).

When it comes to samplers, I only have Garritan Personal Orchestra (which I don't like, 'cause I have a very slow PC and the Garritan Ambience effect isn't really a thing for the low-end machines) and EWQL Symphonic Orchestra - Silver Version. I've recently downloaded EWQL Stormdrum (Yeah, downloaded, I'm a pirate... one thing is the money, but the other thing is that I'm finishing High School and going off to a university, so I don't know if I'll have enough time for composing... But if it gets serious, I'm buying it right away - that's a promise :) )

The chances I like Hans Zimmer??? I LOVE LOVE LOVE Hans Zimmer. I adore every note he writes. I've loved his works since Lion King :) (I was about 5-6 back then :) ) Of course, the majority of OSTs I have are his works, so there is a certain level of proximity between his masterpieces and my "works" :)

So right now, you know what samples I use, the flute in the beggining is actually a picolo sample. About panning and stuff... a only recently realised how great it is and in my next piece, you will probably hear some difference. But until I get a new PC, you won't hear any new samples I'm afraid. But I will try to improve those strings... By the way, what exactly bothers you about them? :)

The other two cues are here:

Storm Over Eden

http://www.box.net/shared/20ov4bpc0c (http://www.box.net/shared/20ov4bpc0c)

Leaving Home Behind

http://www.box.net/shared/kwnfs0ysk0 (http://www.box.net/shared/kwnfs0ysk0)

Battle of Oriol

http://www.box.net/shared/22wzuugsgo (http://www.box.net/shared/22wzuugsgo)

I just hope it works  ;D And by the way, the Oriol is my first "bigger" works, full of amateurism :) And the second one is more "romantic", but even I don't like those strings :-)

That'll be all, thanks again Jeff for giving me advice, I'm looking forward to more of that, if you have the time :) Thx

Max


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: MaxLeonhart on January 20, 2008, 01:28:56 AM

Battle of Oriol

http://www.box.net/shared/20ov4bpc0c (http://www.box.net/shared/20ov4bpc0c)

Leaving Home Behind

http://www.box.net/shared/kwnfs0ysk0 (http://www.box.net/shared/kwnfs0ysk0)


great work max  :)

Really?? I really didn't expect that :) Thanks


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: AltaSilvaPuer on January 20, 2008, 09:46:45 AM
I'm listening to "Leaving Home Behind", now, and I'm hooked.  Being an oboe player, hearing lines like that really grab me.  I absolutely love the way this begins.  I'm seeing pictures again, heh.  Kinda makes it difficult to type, but oh well, its worth it.  ;)

I like how you maintain a melody throughout that, to me, seems very similar, even across instruments, and yet its not very repetitive.  Once or twice, I noticed, but it was easy to move on from.

-asp


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: MaxLeonhart on January 20, 2008, 10:57:34 AM
Thanks, ASP... quite frankly, I'm shocked, I really didn't thinks LHB is a good cue...

By the way, I edited my post where I write the adresses for my other music (I noticed, that under BATTLE OF ORIOL, there's Storm over Eden...) Now, it's properly set, so go on and listen :) and give feedback, of course :-)

Thanks again.


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: Tom Servo on January 25, 2008, 01:13:07 AM
Hey Max...

Listening to Leaving Home Behind.  I'm really impressed with the writing .... it has lots of great expressions in it... from what i can tell you and i probably approach composition in a similar way ... the emotion is palpable and it's just nice writing.  This would sound great with a live ensemble, but alas ... wouldn't everything?  :)  I love the use of piano... I could actually use more of it in the mix at times, but that's just because i'm a piano player.  Strings make a great enterance.  In cues like this it is a PERFECT opportunity to practice phrasing your MIDI.  You have to sort of shape and mold your melodies.  For instance ... when the exposed flute hangs on to a note at the end of a phrase, a real player wouldn't hold that note perfectly at the same volume and then just cut off the tone ... they would ease out of the phrase (ESPECIALLY in a piece like this) and let the note die away.  And then they would probably ease in to the next note to start the new phrase .... really giving an arc to the line.

From a writing standpoint, all I could suggest is adding some harmony lines and counterpoint here and there to layer the sound and thicken it up at times.  But I love the writing and the horns at the end are great as well.

From a production standpoint, you just want to be sure you're not taking the samples right "out of the box" and assuming they're good enough.  Even though we composers may use some of the best sample libraries out there, no one sample is perfect in every context.  So the samples need to be worked with to get the right sound for the cue (brighter, darker, smoother, etc.) ... this can be done by EQ, but mostly it's done by going in and editing MIDI info such as volume or expression, velocity, note length, etc.  It is a learning process ... learning what to listen for and taking each instrument line and examining it for unnatural-sounding flaws.

If you're not really sure what I'm talking about, let me know and I'll be more specific. 

All in all, great writing .... but I think this piece would really shine with some attention to working with the samples.

Well done!!

-jeff


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: Tom Servo on January 25, 2008, 01:16:42 AM
OK ...Battle of Oriol:

Same sort of issues, for me, as Leaving Home Behind ... I really like your approach to your pieces, just the production needs some work --- that comes with time and experience, so if you're fairly new to it then don't feel bad that it's not at the level where it should be yet -- it'll get there.  You can write nice melodies and can keep things moving forward.  This sounds like it should be end credits music for some fantasy-adventure film.

I like it a lot!  Again, good job!

-jeff


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: MaxLeonhart on January 25, 2008, 07:32:03 AM
Hi Jeff :-)

Thanks for your comments, I guess you can imagine how happy it makes me to read something like this :-)

I'll certainly read your comments once or twice more. The fact is, that Oriol was my first "big" piece, then came the Leaving home behind and then Storm over Eden. So I'll try to read all your comments very carefully before composing my newest tune (I'll post it soon, god willing, it will have a prologue, 3 parts and a grand epilogue, Nobuo Uematsu style   ;D ).

And by the way, I started reading the "Principles of Orchestration" by Rimsky-Korsakov ( http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=77 (http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=77) ) so I hope my new pieces will be better :-)

Thanks again for positive feedback

Max


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: AltaSilvaPuer on January 26, 2008, 09:43:13 PM
Ooh.. nice find, Max.  I'll have to start going through some of this.


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: MaxLeonhart on January 27, 2008, 10:55:08 AM
Ok, my newest piece is "done". You can find it here:

http://www.box.net/shared/38osuuygw0 (http://www.box.net/shared/38osuuygw0)

I tried panning and new violin samples, hope you'll enjoy them. I also tried to work a bit with dynamics (I don't know if this is the right word,  ;D I mean "piano" and "forte" and that stuff), I'm really curious how it will sound to you :)

It's actually an "early render", so I'm open to any suggestions. As I've already said somewhere around here, this is a prologue to a 5-part "thing". So any suggestions, ideas, errors or bad things I didn't notice, please keep them coming :)

Max


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: Incognito on January 27, 2008, 05:15:39 PM
I really like your new piece max, especially the piano it goes along great with all the string parts, The build up at the end is really impressive as well although to me this sounds more like an ending than a prologue but maybe its just me.

I also listened to your others pieces and they are all pretty excellent, very good melodies and the like although I can't give much proper feedback as I am a novice.


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: Steven on January 27, 2008, 07:33:18 PM
Hmm. I think I would personally use more sustain on the piano when it first comes in - the mood is somewhat 'fluttery' for lack of a better word, but then the notes seem to cut off abruptly, I suspect. Great sounds though, the strings at the beginning sound really good. What library are they, out of interest?


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: MaxLeonhart on January 28, 2008, 06:58:56 AM
2 Steven: These strings are Garritan Personal Orchestra (the main violins are a violin section sample + a violin solo sample), the basses, cellos and violas are GPO as well, the strings at the beggining are EWQLSO Silver, as well as all the other instruments (Brass, woodwinds, percs)

As for the piano, I noticed something wrong with it, but couldn't tell what it was :) Now I see, thanks :)

By the way, what does "fluttery" mean? :)

2 Incognito: Well, it is a bit dense in sound, but I assure you, that THIS IS ONLY THE BEGGINING :) The epilogue is not even in a "piano-sketch" state, but I plan it to be something more like a fanfare. We'll see :)

Thanks for the feedback though - by the way, even amateurs can tell each other what they like and what they don't (that's what I like about this forum), and it is even better if they're supervised by a pro (that's what I love about this forum ;) )


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: Steven on January 28, 2008, 09:02:10 AM
Oh, by 'fluttery' I simply meant, as in fluttering. Like, something fluttering in the wind - light, calm. It was the first word that came to mind at the time, sorry if it was misleading =)


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: MaxLeonhart on January 28, 2008, 12:00:23 PM
No, no, it was not misleading, I just didn't understand it :) I'm not a native English speaker, so I have some problems with vocabulary sometimes ;)


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: MaxLeonhart on March 15, 2008, 08:04:36 AM
Hello there

How are things with you? I've been a bit quiet recently, had a lot to do, but eventually I found some time to compose too. So here is my newest tune, it's quite sad. It's very close to songs like "Empty Houses" (Bioshock) or "The Dike" (The Witcher). I think of it as an ambient track... in an RPG or something, while walking through a plagued city, a ruined castle... or a field full of lavender flowers...

Give it a listen and let me know, as always, I'm looking forward to any and all suggestions  :)

The Lavender Field:

http://www.box.net/shared/dgtb1zikoc (http://www.box.net/shared/dgtb1zikoc)

- Max -


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: Tom Servo on March 26, 2008, 10:16:42 AM
Hey Max,

Well, you already know that I like the way you write, and this is no exception.  I think it works great for what it is, and your harmonic changes with slight melodic hints make it very ambient and captures the vibe of what you're going for.

All that being said, again, we come back to comments on the production of the music.  I know you are using limited resources.... but some things that can really help you, especially in a piece like this, is using MIDI Controller 11 (or 7).  This cue needs some more fading in and out ... some slight swells and .... a little ebb and flow ... what I'm saying is that with all held chords you have (by strings or brass or whoever), they are just being triggered and they stay at that velocity and volume for the duration of the note.  If a real orchestra played this, you would most likely have them sneak in on the chord, then grow a little bit, and fade back out, as the next chord fades in.  Not TOO much, otherwise it would get too much up and down and give us musical seasickness.  But a little bit of natural swell on each of these long notes. People use controller 11 or controller 7 to accomplish this in MIDI.  I use controller 11 ... some people just draw in the volume controls in the audio file too, which is OK, although I think it's a little less natural.  If you're not sure what controller 11 or 7 are .... or where to find them or how to use them ... then let's get in touch and I can tell you about it... but I don't want to write about it if you already know what it is. 

Better sounds would help for sure, but a little bit of attention to making your MIDI more "live" goes a long way as well.

Max, or anyone else who wants to know, contact me with what program you're using to record your MIDI and we can get you using these controls that will help shape your music.

Well done!
-jeff


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: MaxLeonhart on March 31, 2008, 02:37:22 PM
Hi Jeff

Thanx for your positive feedback. I sent you a private message (although I don't know if you recieved it)... If you'd like, we could communicate via e-mails, my mail is johny.scigulin@hotmail.com (yeah, that's kinda my real name  :D ). Don't get me wrong, I'd contact you first, but I can't find your e-mail address anywhere around :)

Max


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: Piekartz on July 22, 2008, 10:45:09 AM
http://api.ning.com/files/YsTyeLVttoh0AVEcQmfN4wcytfo4BVVNm0TZWKMHJ7k_/TheStormOverEden.mp3 (http://api.ning.com/files/YsTyeLVttoh0AVEcQmfN4wcytfo4BVVNm0TZWKMHJ7k_/TheStormOverEden.mp3)
Needed for download. ;)


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: MaxLeonhart on July 20, 2009, 10:02:39 AM
Hi guys!
Wow, it feels like ages since I last posted here...
At first, my computer broke down and was being repaired for a whole month (all hail Acer Customer Service!!!) Then I had to study for exams and so on...

Well I'm back now with 3 new pieces ready to be evaluated by any of you :)

Well, here it is.

Not long ago, I found a very interesting movie called Tales of the Past - it's a movie completely done in WoW games. Anyway, I noticed that the soundtrack for this movie (and almost every other WoWarcraft movie) is a collection of Hans Zimmer, Immediate music and many other composers. Well, I decided, that I will try to compose some original themes for the film. Maybe, later on, I'll try to contact some of the WoWarcraft movie producers and try to get a composing gig... No harm in trying I guess...

Anyway... So here they are. The "Tales of the Past III" movie starts of with a huge battle scene and so my first theme is a battle track.
It's kinda short, but if I had to, I could make it into a bigger piece.

Legendary:
http://www.box.net/shared/qdhy65lofm

The second piece would fit into the very ending of the movie. For those of you who are not familiar with it, in the end, Arthas, turned back into a human, travels to Northrend to find his lost "Lich King" powers. And I couldn't think of any other music than J.Hayes's Arthas-Lich king theme. So I took Jason's theme and tried a new angle on the melody and this is the result.

Falling Again:
http://www.box.net/shared/hy6dqez9gb

The third (and last) piece is a theme that wasn't made directly for the movie, but could fit well into any scene that requires an ominous tone.

Morna Theme:
http://www.box.net/shared/zeskknuepi

As always, any feedback regarding these tracks is more than welcome, especially the critical feedback :) So, give it a listen and let me know what's good and what could be better.

Thanks

Max


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: dannthr on July 20, 2009, 07:05:07 PM
Damn, boy!

Legendary is just fantastic.  Your samples are total crap, but the composition, from what I can tell, is ace!  I'd have to look at the sheet music to really evaluate if your string runs are reasonable, but from here, lots of good well thought out compositional ideas and very nice instrumental spread.

I am a bit traditional, though, as I like my Horns in F to be on my left, so, what I think are your horns, sounds like they're on your right?  But I'm willing to go with it since your violins add so much action to the left side.

Can you post the sheet music?  If you're not already using the celli and bass in stacs/spics to keep your march and double your bass drum, use them--actually I just changed my mind on my third listen.

I want to hear your Horns on the left.

Here's an idea for expansion:

Horns on the left--when the horns come in with the melody, the melody has been fairly well tread, so it's safe to add a dimension to it--consider a counter melody placed in the celli high register.  That would be real sweet!

Keep working on it, man, I want to hear this expanded and taken to the Nth level!


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: MaxLeonhart on July 25, 2009, 03:52:02 AM
Hi Dan!

Wow, thank's for your imput. I will continue woriking on it - I've already moved the horns to the other side and also couple other intruments... And I've started working on a counter melody, I will post a newer version shortly.

And yes, you're right, my samples are kind of weird, that's why I don't really like doing action-style music with them - they just sound wrong (or I don't know how to set them up correctly)... But since I don't have a real orchestra nearby ... :)

Posting the sheet music will be a problem since I only work in FL Studio and dont have Finale or anything like that... Will some screenshots be sufficient? :)

By the way, any thoughts on the other 2 tracks?

Max


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: MaxLeonhart on October 20, 2009, 02:36:29 AM
The recent activity on these forums pushed me to work a bit harder on my own music, so right now, I'm posting 2 tracks. The first one is for dannthr; you were wondering if my string runs were reasonable. I'll try to get you the sheet music (if I don't forget again), but until then, I uploaded the solo violin parts.

** Legendary - Solo Violin Runs **
http://www.box.net/shared/lxrv3so3ve


Anyway, the more important thing is that I finally finished another track; once again, it's an action piece. And once again, it is inspired by the movie "Tales of the Past III".

** Blazer Meets Mograine **
http://www.box.net/shared/j1n79fvhks

Anyway, as always, I'm waiting for any and all feedback you can think of. Let me know what is good and what could be better.
Thanks.


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: dannthr on October 20, 2009, 12:33:18 PM
Man, honestly, you should really look at aiming for some better samples.

It should be a goal of yours.

And a machine to run those samples.

How old are you?


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: MaxLeonhart on October 20, 2009, 03:01:46 PM
Yeah, I'm sorry about the quality, but I can't get it any better at the moment...

Yes, it is my goal... buuuut, since I'm a student (and therefore I'm constantly low on money) the progress of saving money for rig&software is very slow... :(

I'm 20 years old... I hope it's not too much


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: Asvarduil on October 20, 2009, 06:56:19 PM
Legendary...is legendary.  No, really.  I heard a mix of Halo and Jason Hayes' styles in there, which was something VERY special and awesome!

I have to agree with Dannthr - the strings sound a little bit unreal.  Some of those high string runs might not go off so smoothly in real life.  A rule I use is to try to keep my skips within one octave - it's actually one of the principles of voice leading, too.

I heard the F Horns, but I think the effect would be much improved if you backed everything off on their initial entrance and gave them a few measures to state their idea that the whole orchestra would then go on and epicify.

GREAT song...I just need time to listen to the others!

EDIT: Eeep.  Skips within an octave are good, but I also try to avoid skips beyond a perfect fifth.  I know beyond a 5th can be difficult on guitar (especially if you're near the top of the range of the key you're playing in...), and on Oboe beyond a fifth can be pretty painful as well.  I try not to think of Piccolo, much, and don't have to because the keys are so close together.  But still.


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: MaxLeonhart on October 21, 2009, 12:33:35 AM
Thanks Asva... About the string runs... I listened to them a lot and it really seems that they are too much... Well, I never actually played a violin, so I don't really know. I've got to ask my sister - violinist... I tried to tone it down a bit in "Blazer meets Mograine" (eh, gotta think of a different name for that track...)
Anyway, thanks for your opinion!


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: AltaSilvaPuer on October 24, 2009, 05:07:44 PM
[...] and on Oboe beyond a fifth can be pretty painful as well.  [...]

Actually, as an oboist, myself, I can say that just about everything up to the octave jumps is usually decently do-able, provided you're kind with the range.  Once you get above the C or so above the staff, fingerings can get really wonky to do rapid passages in.

Though, jumps down on Oboe, especially to the lower half of the staff, can be quite frustrating, without a lot of control and a good reed.  I rarely have much trouble jumping up, though, aside from often being quite 'pitchy', which is a general problem for me anyway, when I stop paying attention.

Do you play oboe, Asvarduil?  Because if so, well met!  It's not too often I get to talk to oboists from places outside my own region of the United States.

-asp


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: Asvarduil on October 25, 2009, 08:38:25 AM
Do you play oboe, Asvarduil?  Because if so, well met!  It's not too often I get to talk to oboists from places outside my own region of the United States.

Yep, I'm a Texas oboist :D

I personally strongly dislike the oboe in the higher register.  Sure, I realize it's pretty.  My personal opinion, born of a decade of playing the instrument, is that the oboe sounds most evocative in its lower octave.

Besides, the high fingerings are extremely squirrely, and requires some crazy embochre changes...my oboe instructor here in college had me trying to get up to the second A above the staff, and I pretty much couldn't, no matter how hard I bit down.



Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: AltaSilvaPuer on October 25, 2009, 03:08:34 PM
Oh, I definitely feel you on the preference for the lower parts.  I had the great luck and pleasure to be the English Horn player my first two years of college, as well, but unfortunately had to surrender it to another oboe major this semester.  The only thing I don't like about the lower register of the oboe is that very few composers seem to really know how to write for it.  You can make some great music there, but all too often they either require it too soft and exposed, or it's purposefully over-load and biting as an effect (and often pretty covered up, anyway).

To get this thread back on topic, though:
I think I'm going to have to agree with the general consensus on Legendary that the jumps might be a little far for that speed, if it's all meant to be one continuous line.  If you were crafty, though, you might be able to pull it off by splitting it between the first and second violins or something, and then still have the jumps.  I think it's probably better for this case, though, to at least smooth it out a tiny bit, first, even if you still do split it between instruments.

-asp


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: MaxLeonhart on November 01, 2009, 02:58:07 PM
Hey guys, just to answer your opinions on string lines in Legendary - I talked to my sister, who's a violin player and she said, that the whole violin part WOULD be playable, but the  violinists would DEFINITELY hate me :-D Anyway, she didn't think the jumps were too far, but that it would require a skilled bunch of players... so, technically, it's doable :)

But I sure will try to restrain myself from overdoing the violin runs. thank you for your input :)


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: MaxLeonhart on November 27, 2009, 05:08:18 AM
Hey guys, since things are kinda slow around here, I decided to post my new piece. I just finished it today, so I might be changing it later on...
Anyway - a long time ago, I wrote a short story about the last days of Atlantis... I recently re-read the whole thing and this idea poped up in my head... So I created a "main theme" for the story... It was supposed to be close to The Rise of the Argonauts game soundtrack, but ended up closer to Horner's Troy OST... anyway, check it out here:

http://www.box.net/shared/z4k5dknk6a (http://www.box.net/shared/z4k5dknk6a)

or at my site at the Composers' Forum here:

http://composersforum.ning.com/profile/MaxLeonhart?xg_source=profiles_memberList (http://composersforum.ning.com/profile/MaxLeonhart?xg_source=profiles_memberList)    (I hope this link works :) )

As always, all ideas and opinions are very welcome.

P.S. to Dan - I know my instruments still suck, but I at least tried to improve the quality by playing with cresc. and decresc. a lot...


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: MaxLeonhart on December 11, 2009, 08:05:07 AM
Hey guys, just a quick update... Here's a new piece that I composed while taking a break from all this studying I've been doing for the last couple of days. Enjoy and comment!

http://www.box.net/shared/2cs23q8zn3


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: Tom Servo on March 04, 2010, 02:48:43 PM
Hey MaxLeonhart.... I really like this last piece you posted as well your others. We've had conversations in the past, so you already know I like your writing. But I want to commend you on the progress you've made in your use of MIDI instruments. Comparing the first cue you posted in the thread to this, you can really hear more movement and emotion in the string lines and the way you controlling expression and volume. Plus your reverb choices are making a big difference as well.

Just wanted to say that it's sound better and better all the time and I want to encourage you to keep it up!!

-jeff


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: MaxLeonhart on March 05, 2010, 04:26:14 PM
Hey Jeff, thanks for the encouragement! You're input is - as always - very welcome... Well, I'd say my improvement happened mostly thanks to you and Dannthr :) Anyway, I'll be posting a new piece very soon... 2-3 days tops!


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: MaxLeonhart on March 17, 2010, 03:43:54 PM
Ok, so as I promised, a new piece is here... It's supposed to be a main theme for a small RPG project... Still working with the crappy instruments, but I really tried to get the best sound out of them... anyway, any thoughts are welcome; enjoy.

http://www.box.net/shared/tevz5rn45e


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: MaxLeonhart on November 21, 2010, 03:07:34 AM
Hey guys!
Wow, it feels like ages since I last posted something here... I was very busy with school, so I didn't get to do much composing. That changes now with my new piece. It was inspired by a fantasy short story that I read about a light cavalry unit, that was legendary for its battlecry "Death or Glory" which they shouted in unison just before hitting the enemy lines... Anyway, I hope you'll like it :)


http://www.box.net/shared/82jqomp53r (http://www.box.net/shared/82jqomp53r)


and... I launched my own website - there's not much there yet, but you can check it out anyway. its http://scigulinsky.ic.cz/ (http://scigulinsky.ic.cz/)


Title: Re: Feedback for a newbie please :-)
Post by: Piekartz on July 13, 2013, 04:24:15 AM
Hey guys!
Wow, it feels like ages since I last posted something here... I was very busy with school, so I didn't get to do much composing. That changes now with my new piece. It was inspired by a fantasy short story that I read about a light cavalry unit, that was legendary for its battlecry "Death or Glory" which they shouted in unison just before hitting the enemy lines... Anyway, I hope you'll like it :)


http://www.box.net/shared/82jqomp53r (http://www.box.net/shared/82jqomp53r)


and... I launched my own website - there's not much there yet, but you can check it out anyway. its http://scigulinsky.ic.cz/ (http://scigulinsky.ic.cz/)
Sounds good! Keep it up.