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1  Music By Jason Forums / The Composers' Workshop / New composition by me, suggestions? on: February 08, 2005, 03:18:32 PM
You are right Adam, I definately did get off topic, and i'm sorry. I think this whole thing was me reading too much into the lines, and the last thing I wanted was to turn NS's music thread into a combat zone lol. So moving on!

Nightshader, you mentioned wanting to get real vocal work done. There are a few approaches you can take that you might not have considered yet. If you are in a big urban area, checking the newspaper wanted sections(or wherever you get your Wanted info Smiley may yeild some talent. I do some vocal recording, and all my voice talent I met this way, and they are all very willing people and want to simply work. Almost all of them are also working for free, unless cash somehow comes into the project.  You do however have to be willing to sift through lots of people until you find the ones that fit just right. Universities are another great place to pick up voice talent. Sometimes even the people you work with have great voices! Keep your ears peeled.
2  Music By Jason Forums / The Composers' Workshop / New composition by me, suggestions? on: February 07, 2005, 08:56:09 PM
I was going to continue lurking until I read this post. There is dialoge going on here that I completely did not expect.

First of all, Nightshader, everyone goes through periods of time where they can't do creatively what they love to do. You can have all the passion in the world, but if other things require attention in life, usually they take presedence. I've been doing music for a long time now, and can look back at  several long chunks of time (exeeding 2 years) where nothing came out. You can't beat yourself up over it. If you think about it too much, and let it bother you, it will just get worse. It's a Zen kaon!   :idea:

During these periods of creative lapse, I tend to either plow forward or stop until i feel it's ready. The benefit of moving forward, despite what your heart tells you, is that you have a chance to do further learning of your creative craft. Even if you can't feel the love for it, you are still using it as a tool and therefor learning about its infinite possibilites. Or you can live life and ignore the creative stuff for a while. This is also equally important as who wants to listen to a composer who has nothing to say?

Now, Adam, your post is a bit padded.  :wink:

Please don't take offense to this, but NightShader's music is HIS music, and any critique you offer would subtract his art from itself.

How can one subtract art? After reading all the posts I listened to the track, and it sounded exactly the same to me as it did before. Offering advice doesnt destroy any of the work he did on the music, or the music itself; in that way it is indestructable. I went to college and studied music and poetry, and had extremely wonderful professors in each subject area. What made those professors amazing was the fact that they offered suggestions and critiques. They didnt just stand there passively and blink their eyes and mutter small quips under their breath. I think the whole point of this forum section is to offer advice and critique. Hense the title "Workshop." Without it, it's that much harder to grow as a musician.

In a collaboration those ideas may be well recieved, but composers don't usually want to hear such detailed analyses in the 'Well, i'd do THIS different' vain. It doesn't make compsers feel adequate.

Maybe Adam has an adequacy issue? Who are these "composers" you speak of? If i didnt get constant feedback and critique from my work as it went into games I would a) freak out b) think something was wrong c) half expect to be fired. If you are not willing to hear other people's opinions on your music, then you are not willing to let the music Because someone critiques something doesn't mean the creator has to go back and make all/any the suggested changes. Because of this, not wanting to hear advice is akin to the closed eyes, batting of the ears NYA NYA NYA method of ignoring someone that we did when we were all 3 years old.

Don't mean to rip into you Adam, I know that you meant to be sweet and to protect Nightsader, but I think he's a big enough boy to listen to what other people have to to offer.

And I liked all the pieces you posted Nightshader! Keep it up!
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